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Certainly not cleared in to the airspace though until the situation/conflict was resolved.Ĭlick to expand.First, that's a major violation to solicit the cancellation of IFR, I won't say anything more than that. They would be held outside the airspace, or perhaps offered a different altitude to work with (if possible).
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On the other hand, if they came back like "uhh, what?" then it was time to start getting more information. Can't really police it much more than that though, if a guy says they can be in there and says they're MARSA, you really have no reason to deny them clearance. Personally, I liked to specifically ask "BOMER11, verify MARSA with FITER31" and getting an affirmative reply prior to clearing them in. If the pilot stated they were going to work with them or words to that effect, then business as usual, clear them for the airspace and I would try to let them off my freq as early as practical to allow them to get in contact with the other flight to coordinate their entry. "BOMER11, be advised FITER31 is working in XYZ airspace block (altitude)" and kind of fish out what they had to say. Other times, yah, pilots were flying, but scheduling got botched or something, and they had no idea there was someone else in the area.īecause of the possibility of the last case, pretty much any time aircraft were approaching active SUA (particularly MOAs where we were the controlling agency), and there were already guys playing in there in altitudes they wanted to play with, we would advise the aircraft of the current situation. Other times, some aircraft want the same airspace but in different blocks. i.e., the military is responsible to schedule aircraft, make them aware of eachother, and that everyone is safe to play together. Some LOAs/MOUs discuss specifically that the airspace is MARSA by scheduling. If a pilot can't go in, then yes, they will need to be held or delayed somehow.Ĭlick to expand.This is a bit tougher. A military facility, however, may do more active conflict work between users of the area. An aircraft on a clearance will be assumed to have all permissions needed and will be aimed into the area unless the pilot says otherwise. I think the center types will generally not get overly involved and will expect the aircraft to sort that out. Scheduling conflicts? A lot of differences possible due to SOP and LOAs. Standard sep must be applied until they are in the area.
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As food for thought, how would one cancel a guy at or above FL180? Of course, you can't but he still needs to go in. It does flow nicely with the frequency change and I think many say both together.
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Saying the phrase "radar service terminated" might make some feel warm and fuzzy but the aircraft will still be IFR until the boundary if it was IFR before saying the phrase. You'll get some different answers on this but I think most facilities will treat aircraft as auto cancelled as they cross the boundary with no requirement to cancel explicitly.
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Also, the LOA between us, center, and the controlling agency responsible for aircraft in the restricted area/MOA is extremely vague so that document doesn't help at all in this debate.įor reference, Chapter 9 Section 3 is the place to find Special Use Airspace in the 7110.65. Half the facility solicits IFR aircraft to cancel IFR prior to entering the restricted area/MOA and the other half believes they were cleared in and you just go with the phraseology in question 3. This is currently under debate at my facility and I am curious to what other people think about it. If not, and you have multiple aircraft wanting to enter a restricted area/MOA IFR do you permit them to all enter IFR or only allow one to enter IFR at a time? Frequency change approved?" Would that be all you are required to do?Ĥ. If not, do you tell them "(acid) radar service terminated. If so, do you put them into holding if they are unwilling to cancel IFR and enter the restricted area/MOA?ģ. Does an IFR aircraft filed from (ABC) airport to a (XYZ) restricted area/MOA and back to (ABC) airport have to cancel IFR before entering a restricted area/MOA?Ģ.
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